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Edited: October 31, 2025 (Instagram info was added)
This blog post concerns a video in which Dr. Tögel1 explains how mainstream media is used for propaganda and cognitive warfare2. He goes into great detail about what is being said, what is being claimed, and what is true or false. The video concerns the German ZDF broadcast, published on October 23rd, titled “Markus Lanz.”3 Markus Lanz4 moderates the interview with guests: Georg Mascolo5, Katja Kloger6, and Andrey Gurkov7.
Dr. Jonas Tögel:
When I watched the “Markus Lanz” program from October 23, 2025, and analyzed it for war propaganda, I was immediately struck by how one-sided the choice of guests was: Both Katja Gloger and her husband, Georg Mascolo, are members of the “Atlantikbrücke” – a transatlantic think tank that receives funding from, among others, banks and the German Foreign Office. Unfortunately, Markus Lanz did not introduce either of them as transatlantic lobbyists. The selection of guests thus plays a significant role: I myself have experienced firsthand that one is not invited to talk shows if one does not represent the desired positions. Source Instagram
The “Markus Lanz” show from October 23rd is a good example of how the same issues can be presented very differently: In the program, it’s perfectly acceptable to discuss state terrorism: terrorist attacks are carried out by one’s own intelligence services, for which an enemy is blamed, against whom war can now be waged under the pretext of “terrorism.” When it comes to the 1999 terrorist attacks in Moscow and the Russian KGB/FSB is the possible perpetrator, such considerations are not only permissible but even probable. However, when it comes to September 11, 2001, and American intelligence services as possible perpetrators, such considerations are not allowed and are dismissed as “conspiracy theories.” I find that astonishing. Source Instagram
Because the mainstreampropaganda system, explained in detail in this video, is not only used in Germany, the video is published here, so that we all can learn how the crowds are mislead, brainwashed. The video is subtitled. Choose your language in the menu bar. The menu bar becomes visible after you have clicked the red YT start button.
International Consortium of Investigative Journalists – Georg Mascolo – https://www.icij.org/journalists/georg-mascolo “Georg Mascolo, Germany, is a bestselling author and journalist who worked for nearly 25 years for the Spiegel Group. From 2008 until 2013, he was editor-in-chief of Spiegel magazine. From 2014 until 2022, he was the head of the Joint Investigative Group of Süddeutsche Zeitung and the two German public broadcasters WDR and NDR. Mascolo has been an ICIJ member since 1998. He has been the dean of the Bucerius Summer School on Global Governance since 2017. In 2014, he was named Political Journalist of the Year by the influential professional journal Medium Magazin.”↩︎
Journalismusfest Innsbruck – Katja Gloger – https://www.journalismusfest.org/en/katja-gloger-2 “Katja Gloger studied Eastern European history, Political science and Slavic studies in Hamburg and Moscow. After graduating from the German School of Journalism in Munich, she became a TV-reporter for WDR Radio and Television in Cologne. From 1989 on she was based as correspondent for the weekly Stern in Moscow.. Gloger interviewed Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin, whom she accompanied for months as the first Western correspondent. She later headed the foreign desk of Stern and was posted as senior political correspondent to Washington, D.C. Honored with the Henri-Nannen-Award and named political “Journalist of the Year” she now works as a freelance journalist and book author focusing on Russia and Security Policy. Her books include Putin’s World: The New Russia, Ukraine and the West; Stranger Friends: Germans and Russians. The Story of a Fateful Relationship and the bestseller Outbreak: Insights into a Pandemic. She is a regular guest on German radio and television, panelist and moderator of discussions on Russia and international affairs. In her honorary capacity, she is Spokesperson and Executive Member of the Board of RSF Reporters without Borders, Germany. She lives in Berlin.”↩︎
The title is an edited quoted part of a by Dr. Ola Tunander spoken sentence [“They brought in the whole Nazifascist structures into the CIA”] from the video:
How The Deep Empire Eliminates Threats To Its Hegemony
– An in-depth discussion, a verbal documentary about political assassinations in the (far) past, world wide, coups, and more. – Participating are: Ola Tunander, Dirk Pohlmann and Pascal Lottaz – Published: October 15, 2025
Ola Tunander (image upper right) (born in Stockholm, Sweden in 1948) is a research professor emeritus at the Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO, Norway)
Dirk Pohlmann (born August 11, 1959) is a German journalist, author, screenwriter, director and producer of about 25 historical documentaries for German public media Arte, ARD and ZDF
Pascal Lottaz (picture left, discussion leader) is an Assistant Professor for Neutrality Studies at the Waseda Institute for Advanced Study, in Tokyo. He received his MA and PhD from the National Graduate Institute for Policy Studies (Japan) and specializes on neutral actors in international relations, especially on neutrality during the two World Wars and during the Cold War. He recently published the books Sweden, Japan, and the Long Second World War (Routledge, 2022), Permanent Neutrality: A Model for Peace, Security, and Justice (Lexington Books, 2020), and Notions of Neutralities (Lexington Books, 2019). He leads the research network neutralitystudies.com.
Pascal Lottaz: “Today I’m talking again to Dr. Ola Tunander and Dirk Pohlmann. I have talked to both of them separately before, but tonight we want to do a panel on the political murders in Europe throughout the Cold War and into the Unipolar Moment when people who worked for Peace and a political rapprochement with the East and the global South just died. Together, we trace the shadowy links between these deaths, uncovering a world of deep state networks, Nazi assassins repurposed by Western intelligence, and the brutal enforcement of an empire’s unwritten rules. We explore why challenging the colonial order or building economic bridges to the East became a death sentence.”
Additional information
Ola Tunander: The killing of PM Olof Palme
Prime Minister of Sweden, Olof Palme, 28 September 1984 (Photo: Source: Ministry of the Presidency. Government of Spain).
Lecture (2023) by Dr. Jonas Tögel, published on September 10, 2025 (subtitled)
Dr. Jonas Tögel is a German psychologist, American studies scholar, propaganda researcher, and bestselling author. He works as a research associate at the Institute of Psychology at the University of Regensburg. His motivation is to help people recognize, understand, and neutralize manipulation in everyday life and propaganda. In doing so, he is committed to strengthening his audience’s resilience so that one can remain peaceful, positive, and able to act even in difficult times. Website: Dr. Jonas Tögel
“When I gave my lecture on NATO’s cognitive warfare in spring 2023, it was not foreseeable how much the threat of war in Europe would increase. Today it is clear that cognitive warfare has divided populations, weakened the peace movement, and that it is therefore possible to continue to push forward with rearmament and a new, major war in Europe. What is needed now is an understanding of the mechanisms of war propaganda and a determined, shared, and loud desire for peace.” – Dr. Jonas Tögel
Quote: “[…..] we first discuss how to define “misinformation”, and how it relates to various other commonly used terms such as “disinformation” and “fake news”. Next, we examine the psychology of correcting misinformation: what happens when someone is exposed to a fact check, and what are the benefits and drawbacks of correcting misinformation once the damage is already done? Finally, we discuss how to build psychological resilience against misinformation through psychological “vaccines” or “inoculation”: we look at the theoretical background of inoculation theory (dating back to the 1960s), its modern application within the context of online misinformation (in online games and educational videos), and future prospects and research avenues in the field.“
Attention: Both authors are professors at the university of Cambridge: check Jon Roozenbeek and Sander van der Linden. The biography on their Cambridge profile doesn’t mention any collaboration with NATO or writing for NATO. There’s no link to the NATO document “Inoculation Theory and Misinformation”. Why not? There must be a reason. There’s no link to their Cambridge profile on the NATO profile. Check: Jon Roozenbeek and Sander van der Linden. Why not? Conclusion: That, which cannot stand the light of day, is being concealed. Both professors have prostituted their knowledge regarding the possibility of brain manipulation, and NATO is the pimp.
In case the page will be removed from the NATO website, and all denied, today, October 11, 2025 this PDF has been created. The from the NATO website downloaded file: PDF
Screenshot taken October 11, 2025, from the NATO website.
LECTURE by DR. JONAS TÖGEL, German psychologist, American studies scholar, propaganda researcher, and bestselling author. He works as a research associate at the Institute of Psychology at the University of Regensburg. His motivation is to help people recognize, understand, and neutralize manipulation in everyday life and propaganda. In doing so, he is committed to strengthening his audience’s resilience so that one can remain peaceful, positive, and able to act even in difficult times. Website: Dr. Jonas Tögel
Part 1: NATO vs. Russia – Understanding Geostrategy (subtitles available) Published: October 5, 2025
Part 2. Going to war with geostrategy? Published: October 8, 2025
Paperback – May 22, 2025 Author: Benoit Paré, born in Paris, in 1961, is living in Greece since 1986. He is a French army reserve officer and former defense ministry analyst. Most importantly, Mr. Paré worked for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), as part of the seize-fire monitoring mission in Eastern Ukraine.
Ukraine 2015-2022.
A unique account of its kind, precise, sensitive, and personal, seen from the inside of an international mission at the heart of the Donbass war. The reality on the ground, from the front lines. New revelations, notably concerning civilian casualties, human rights violations, conflict-related trials, and the manipulation of facts. And then, how the US-sponsored Ukrainian ultra-nationalist project provoked Moscow’s reaction. This book is primarily intended for those who prioritize facts over partisanship and who want to understand how the deadliest conflict in Europe since World War II came about.
Video interview conducted by Pascal Lottaz, Neutrality Studies. Premiered on August 5, 2025: “Today I’m talking to Benoît Paré, a French army reserve officer and former defense ministry analyst. Most importantly, Mr. Paré worked for the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), as part of the seize-fire monitoring mission in Eastern Ukraine. He also wrote a book about this experiences in the Donbas with the title “What I saw in Ukraine: 2015-2022, Diary of an international Observer”.”
French MEP Fabrice Leggeri delivers a blistering speech in the European Parliament, accusing European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen of a €35 billion vaccine deal negotiated via SMS — without public tender or transparency. As MEPs debate a no-confidence motion, the “Pfizergate” scandal reignites questions of abuse of power, democratic accountability, and the future of EU leadership. With a historic vote looming, will von der Leyen survive the storm?
Very courageous of Fabrice Leggeri, to speak the full truth, to the exact person, who sits there, and gets the applause for Leggeri’s words as a deserved punishment for her authoritarian behaviour, warmongering, deciding as the unelected “mother” of the European peoples, and reason why she is compared in the pictures media, with Snow white’s stepmother who tries to kill her. I applaude as well, and I am certain all who watch this video. Applaud, by liking this video, sharing it everywhere. To realise that she is forced to step down. So that we will be liberated from evil.
Edited: July 06, 2025 – Note: In the meantime we passed the year 2022, in which, named like that: the Russian Special Project started. In the post below I write that Russian politics, like all politics world wide, are not reliable. That was in 2020, when I was not up to date about the developments in Kiev, Ukraine, the coup there in 2014, the provoked war, etc. etc. All what is related with that is to be found in my blog Sustainable Politics, that I started in 2023, after my LinkedIn posts/comments had been censored because of EU guidelines and my account had been suspended for a short time: I was even named a Russian Troll there. But there is more, and since the war in Ukraine, all what happened there, and in USA, Europe, my political knowledge about Russia has become real in-depth knowledge, fact checked, after having been informed about Putin, Lavrov, the provoking aggressive role of NATO, USA, EU, in the Ukraine war, etc., by the highest reliable of the west’s political scientists and investigative journalists. You can find a gallery, and a list of them here. My answer on the question, that I asked myself in 2020: into which direction I would run in case needed: I would still, now, 2025, run into the direction of Russia, but taking my Acousticom2 with me to find a green place to live, because also in Russia the radiation from man-made EMF is too high. RNCNIRP is an advisory commission. Not a governmental EMF safety guidelines decision makers commission.Read more about RNCNIRP here.
The new guidelines for schools, and online learning at home, as presented by the ministry of health in Russia, are created by RusCNIRP, a group of independent scientists who have studied EMF and experienced electromagnetic radiation on volunteering humans, in Russia. RusCNIRP has found highly alarming research results concerning the health of all human beings, especially for the foetus, babies, children, and teenagers. Not only for Russians, not only for Russian foetuses, babies, children and teenagers, but for all human beings. Science is not politically interested, not owned by politics and governments.
“Russian propaganda” as it essentially is, is not related at all with what the Ministry of Health in Moscow has decided about schools and online learning at home, but the decision of the Russian Ministry of Health opens indeed a very nice crystal clear view on Russia and the care of Russians for their children.
The “Free West”?
“Russian propaganda” is an expression for those outside Russia who like to influence the opinion of the crowds who live in the so-called “free west”, where all can say what they like to say [but nobody listens]. The “free” west does not exist. In the free west the so-called free people have become the slaves of the industry that rules all the governments, via the votes of these slaves, via a fake democratic system. In the free west people really believe they are free.
Capitalism and Communism
Russia is not different from the “free west”, since also there political systems restrict the people’s freedom: the Tsar was thrown from the throne in 1917 and other types of “Tsars” took over the totalitarian power. The “free west”points to Russia as an unfree state, Russia points to the west for the same. The industry in both East and West has during the era of the industrialisation taken over the reigns of politics[see article]. Capitalism is now also blossoming where communism was and even IS dictated. Communism is essentially an utterly social “ism”, but the world was not ready for it and one cannot force human evolution by violence, as happened in Russia, as happens in China, and why communist countries are factually not communist at all. Capitalism rules also in China, North Korea, everywhere. Also EU is not different from what is happening in Russia, in USA. The industry is the absolute totalitarian power where all world politics are merchandisers for. The crisis we are in is a result of blind capitalism, and the inborn and stimulated by industry greed of human beings.
Painting: Polish artist Zdzisław Beksiński, without a title. For me it is the blind monster industry that eats human beings. All walk in his wide opened mouth, something inside urges them to go in it (greed) and they do not see where they walk into. Their mind is sleeping. They are blind also. Not aware of what is happening: that they will be transformed into the faeces of the monster. Humans are the industry’s waste.
“If freedom is here, what does prison look like?”
“If freedom is here, what does prison look like?” Source
The so-called “free west” is scaremongering people for Russia, because the so-called “free west” people could lose their freedom, their free choice, their free will, when Russia is going to become too powerful. Which freedom?
“If freedom is here, what does prison look like?” Source
Well,
when reading the news about 5G, the way it is rolled out and the speed of the rollout
when discovering the total absence of any industrial scientific research of the biological effects of 5G
when learning about the support of the “free” west of corrupted safety guidelines decision makers groups like ICNIRP, FCC, ARPANSA, Safety Code 6 [See also: wikipedia]
when reading about Bill Gates, vaccines, the totally absurd, insane, unnecessary vaccine cocktail of till about 16 different vaccines, where parents of new born babies in USA are obliged to agree with. Read article Children’s Health Defense
…then I wonder in what kind of a freedom we live in. Then I do not wonder which side I should choose if it comes to choices:
I would choose for Russia.
My view on Russia
Choosing for Russia is not a synonym for agreeing with their politics, though I understand the Russian revolution, though I love their hymn, and though I understand the essence of communism. As a child I felt the enormous fear of both my parents, when the news came that Russia invaded Hungary [1956]. I was 8 years old. When there was ever something to be afraid of, later, I translated it automatically into “Russians”. My father hated Stalin, deeply, he hated communism, the communist leaders, and I did not understand it then, but later I did, and I agreed. I learned later that politics is not the same as culture. I learned from my mother the love for the Russian dances and music, but I also felt and feel love for for instance Spanish dances, Hungarian dances, all traditional dances and music. I dislike the music of the American cowboys however, their arrogant view on the American indigenous people, and their “country and western” music. I can not listen to it.
I love nature. As Russians do. Love for nature is deeply rooted in the Russian soul. I feel the same. When it comes to choices, I choose for Russia. If I had to run for my life, I would run to Russia, not to the USA.
My view on the USA
America was a glorious country, for me, Americans were heroes: born some years after WWII out of parents who witnessed the war in the Netherlands, and who experienced Americans as liberators, I only heard positive words, and deep respect. America was glorified. My view on America changed during my life and on a certain moment I really did not understand why people would like to go there, to live there, or to go for a holiday there. The American glory of 1945 must have created an addiction in Americans to glory itself, to play the role of the liberator everywhere in the world, and to interfere finally in politics where they did not have the right to. The greed of their ancestors, who invaded America, was and is obviously in the DNA of the Americans: they never stopped to invade, and their out of the cowboy-guns derived advanced war industry helped them to win insane cruel wars. During the last decades the American glory faded out. Then there was Trump with: “We Make America Great Again!”
His politics have speeded up the rotting process of USA that started when Columbus arrived on that continent. He exposes the enormous numbers of far-right voters, Trump voters, the fake holiness of Christians in USA, who made it happen that Trump won. “It was meant to be, and a sign of God”. Most probably all this could happen because white-supremacy-America has no authentic culture, with roots far back in history, from the beginning of mankind: Americans of the present are the heirs of the fortune hunters from Europe. All what was authentic American has been stolen, killed, removed, ridiculed, humiliated, and this has not stopped yet: the indigenous people of America who are still alive still live in reservations and have no rights. The white supremacy overruled not only the indigenous people, but also the by white supremacists from Africa into America entered black people, the white man’s slaves, and all other human colours that appeared in USA, and are trying to enter right now the USA: “Go back where you came from!“. But the new Americans are awaking already a long time, and times and American society are finally really changing. The white supremacists feel backed into a corner, and act in the same way as those who invaded America, and killed all who were trying to defend their property and were opposing them. There is a revival of the cowboy mentality and it is supported by their self chosen pro-cowboy government. But much more intense: it is now a political movement.
That Americans [together with the British, Canadians, Polish and Russians] liberated Europe from Nazi Germany, stays a fact where we, Europeans, are eternally grateful for. The new fact is that Nazism is now experiencing a new dawn in the USA itself.
It is the world wide governing American, by politics funded and supported industries, and out of this American industry mentality born Russian, Chinese, Iranian, African, South American, Australian, Canadian, and European industries, which rule humanity, life on Earth. The shallow life-style in industrial countries is comparable with the shallow lifestyle as presented in the many Hollywood films, which have polluted the view of humans on sexuality and respect, world wide. The seed of the rottenness of the entire world started to grow in Hollywood, and infected via the Hollywood films all peoples of the world. Telecom industry is derived from America’s film industry, and America’s war industry, that found propaganda for it via the film industry and nowadays via the gaming industry, a side product of the film industry. Telecom uses psychological ways to hide its own propaganda by blaming Russia for what it is doing itself. Wake up, peoples of the world, stop to be sheeples [for those who think I wrote it wrong: sheeples is combination of sheep and peoples].
Conclusion
The claim of the telecommunications industry that the in Russia banned smartphones and Wi-Fi from schools should be considered as Russian propaganda, is a dirty lie, and propaganda itself, merchandising, manipulating the mind of the “free west” peoples, in order to achieve that the sheeples will say no to a sane, ethical decision of Russians. Sanity and ethics are missing in the telecom industry, in all industries, the multi nationals. Everywhere. Governments should disconnect from the industry and their catastrophic economic fetishism. The Russian Ministry of Health did. If there is a future, it must be in Russia. The signs are there that they can think.
Note: the mentioned tweet in the first sentence was published by Susan Foster. Susan Foster lives in Colorado, USA, writes articles for Children’s Health Defense, and is Honorary Firefighter of the San Diego Fire Department; US Adviser EM Radiation Research Trust (UK). See: Twitter. Her timeline on Twitter also shows how the situation in the USA is escalating.
One of Susan Foster’s tweets contains the following video. The YouTube channel shows more of the USA, where pro-American governments are willing to cooperate with, and not with Russia. Russian politics are, as all politics, indeed not reliable, but the Russian culture, art and science is still very strong and of a high quality. Russia is part of geological Europe. So, EU, do not blame me for choosing for Russia. It is born out of your own totalitarian politics, by hiding details about 5G, by mandating 5G, your undemocratic politics about so-called safety guidelines for EMF by choosing for the ICNIRP monopoly, mandating unhealthy, unnecessary vaccines, denying the facts of pesticides, neonicotinoids, that kill life in soils, and by cooperating with a country that is reigned by “Gestapo Trump“. Washing hands in innocence, pretending to be leaders, our truthful leaders, walking like cowardly sheep behind Big “Brother” USA.
KNOWLEDGE OF FREEDOM Chapter 01 – Conscious Human Action Chapter 02 – The Fundamental Desire for Knowledge Chapter 03 – Thinking in the Service of Knowledge Chapter 04 – The World as Percept Chapter 05 – The Act of Knowing the World Chapter 06 – Human Individuality Chapter 07 – Are There Limits to Knowledge? Chapter 08 – The Factors of Life Chapter 09 – The Idea of Freedom Chapter 10 – Freedom — Philosophy and Monism Chapter 11 – World Purpose and Life Purpose Chapter 12 – Moral Imagination Chapter 13 – The Value of Life Chapter 14 – Individuality and Genus
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The title and text of this article have been originally published on YouTube1, on April 25, 2025, by Thomas Karat2. The footnotes have been added by the administrator of this blog, “Sustainable Politics“.Thomas Karat published an extended article about the subject on his Substack, on April 25, 2025: “How Sweden Was Covertly Manipulated Into Joining NATO“3
An Assassinated Swedish Prime Minister4 and the NATO Connection Sweden didn’t join NATO. It was taken.
In this explosive interview with Professor Ola Tunander, Professor Emeritis at the International Peace Research Institute in Oslo, Norway 5, Thomas Karat traces a four-decade operation to assassinate not just a Prime Minister—but a national identity.
🔍 From the fake submarine scare of the 1980s (spoiler: it was NATO, not the Soviets)… 🕵️ To the still-unsolved murder of Olof Palme—the last real obstacle to U.S. military integration… 💣 To NATO’s secret terror networks operating across Europe under the guise of “stay-behind armies”… 🧠 To the media, academics, and political elites who programmed Sweden to fear peace and beg for protection…
This video exposes how Sweden’s neutrality was not outdated—it was inconvenient. And so, over 40 years, it was dismantled. Covertly. Methodically. Democratically… in appearance only. No vote. No public debate. Just manipulation disguised as consensus. This isn’t a documentary. It’s a post-mortem. Watch until the end to understand how democracies die—not with bullets, but with narratives.
Time Stamps: 00:00 Intro 05:50 Who is Ola 06:45 How to fool your counterpart 12:15 The dubious case of Sweden 19:30 A former empire pushes for war 27:55 The coming war with Russia 34:25 Stay behind armies 51:20 Deception to create terror 57:15 Swedens U-boat hoax 59:40 Whiskey on the rocks 01:10:06 How to manipulate a population 01:14:25 Sweden joins NATO 01:24:25 Who killed Olov Palme
Transcript, starting at 01:24:256 with the chapter: “Who killed Olof Palme?” (no timeline)
TK: I cannot avoid talking with you without mentioning all of Palmer’s assassination, so very very broadly, I mean first of all for people who do not know all of Palme web then prime minister of Sweden was assassinated by a lone gunman on the street on his way to or from a cinema with his wife, and this assassination has not been solved till today. Now it’s it’s probably also worth mentioning that this happened just one or two days before Omarov par was supposed to travel to Moscow to meet Gorbachev, to have uh discussions about a the daunt between Sweden and and Russia and of course that you already said that the elite, the military elite and maybe also the industrial elite in Sweden the second part of you know the second part of Sweden was not in favor of all of Palme so if I would ask you who I mean, not not asking which the person yeah but which interest group and maybe in the back of our minds still uh stay behind yeah, I do not know yeah, so which group of interest do you think might be responsible for all of Palmer’s assassination?
OT: Firstly, uh he was going to Moscow one month, not one two days after, but one month after uh after the the killing so it was going in the first days of April or something like that and he was shot on the 28th of February but uh and uh I think that it’s clear that that he had been he he wanted to have a he he started uh what was called an investigation or a commission from the collab related to the United Nation with Americans and Russians and uh some other Europeans and some from the third world also uh to find out about the possible uh change the closer collaboration with the great powers that was the idea, i mean it was called common security so it was the idea was that that the security of you your security is not you are not secure if you are if the other side does not feel secure so you you have to think in terms of how the other side thinks and uh on the Russian side were Yorgi Arbatov who was a close advisor to the to the Soviet leadership and also the very close adviser to Garbachov and and uh on the American side it was Cyrus Vance who had been under secretary of state and maybe also secretary of state for Yeah, uh so he, the idea was to collaborate and this was unacceptable for the for the Reagan administration at the time and for Thatcher so so they were they were strongly against this kind of collaboration and uh and it became impossible after the submarine incident started it was impossible for Wul of Palmer to have normal relationship with the Soviet Union because of the media situation in Sweden so so and in 1986 he went against uh the the media actually and uh and what you had also at the time you had in autumn of 88 85 a few months before you had what was called the naval officers revolt which was a a group of naval officers uh claiming that Ulf Palmer was not uh trustworthy that he one believed that he was collaborating with the Soviets and what you had was for example uh submarines that you knew you have indication clear indication of submarines and suddenly when the submarine was on its way out they received ceasefire order so they had to let the submarine out and for the people at the time there it was obvious that it was Soviet submarines so it must have been so they believed that Ulf Palmer must have let the submarines out in collaboration with the Soviets that that was uh the case and they then thought that Olaf Palmer was a traitor and uh and for example the head of this uh this so-called naval officers revolt Hans von Hofston who was a commander alo not very senior officer he he he his ——superior told Swedish TV that uh yeah he was informed about the meetings of some of this group it was also it was police officers also and they uh they had discussed how to get rid of Olaf Palmer they had not discussed any specific method to kill him but they had discussed how to get get rid of him and u and then Olaf Palma’s uh close advisor and state secretary Ulan told that he and Olaf Palmer was informed about these meetings and what he remember also was that they had had [1:31:17] done Hitler salute
TK: you said so you said so yeah no but yeah
OT: so that and so this was what you would call uh right-wing groups inside the the police forces and inside the navy and uh and some of these forces is were probably linked also to the stay-behinds actually so it was at the in the night uh when Olof Palme was shot it was a stay behind exercise in the area where he was shot, and that was the reason why people have seen uh men with walkie-talkies and so on because there were no mobile phones at the time and uh and um and that was and it was also kind of quite uh it’s some documents that had been made public now from the inquiry and there was a security service document claiming that it was this special exercise was also dealing with uh assassinations and and to take out people who were so-called carrier of information and these people were uh it was the idea the exercise the you know it started with that where an enemy had taken over Stockholm area, and of course that would be then Soviet Union had taken over Stockholm area, and uh and you had small groups coming in special force groups and and stay behind groups or kind of stay-behind groups, coming in from outside, uh setting up headquarters in the Stockholm area, and uh and one task would then be to eliminate certain people, so they so the enemy should not be able to take care of them.
TK: Was there not a list published with names or am I confusing this now, was there not a list of targets published?
OT: no I don’t think so
TK: okay
OT: i I I but this was a uh this that I refer to now was security service document and that tried to analyze the situation so to speak and and um so I I think we don’t know exactly who who did it who did it but but we know much more today than we knew just10 years ago and 10 years ago we knew much more than we knew 20 years ago so at least we know something and and uh and you could say that it’s very clear which interests that that thought that Olaf Palmer was a a very problematic person he had powerful enemies within Sweden within UK within America and I just saw that President Nixon already called him the Swedish pardon my French and accused him to be an agent and KGB influence agents yeah that goes already back to Nixon yeah I mean Nixon called him that Swedish but but uh this was agent of influence i know that James Jesus Angleton who was a CIA counter intelligence guy for 20 years or something like that he was he was kicked out actually by Bill Colby that I mentioned before uh in 1975 and but he the Swedish uh the Swedish counter intelligence chief for the Swedish security service had Angleton as his opposite number and visiting him at Langley and uh that was CIA headquarters and and and he and and Angleton had told that he considered Olaf Palmer as an agent of influence and for these kind of people in Sweden what the Americans told was the truth so to speak so so so they they they so they had they considered him a kind of agent of influence and and they also he said that they could not report he didn’t write down in the files about Olaf Palmer because we have a traitor at uh at the security service Mikuel Bentler because he was a traitor because he spoke with Olaf Palmer he spoke with he he reported to the prime minister what is that what the security service were doing what a crime yeah yes so that was a so so that was um I think another indication of a divided Sweden
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