#11. Ukraine and NATO

Latest update: February 21, 2025

INDEX:

  1. NATO’S GROWTH — AND RUSSIA’S ISOLATION – SINCE 1990 – TWO MAPS
  2. NATO EXPANSION 1948 – 2023
  3. STOLTENBERG, NATO, USA, UKRAINE, JOIN THE FAR RIGHT IN CANADA, OCTOBER 5, 2021
  4. STOLTENBERG ADMITS NATO PROVOKED THE ESCALATION OF THE UKRAINE RUSSIA WAR
  5. FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR SCHRÖDER: “UKRAINIANS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO AGREE TO PEACE”
  6. THE TALKS THAT COULD HAVE ENDED THE WAR IN UKRAINE
  7. NORDSTREAM, THE TERRORIST ATTACK ON EUROPE’S ECONOMY
  8. QUESTIONING NATO: NORDSTREAM TERRORIST ATTACK ON EUROPE’S ECONOMY
  9. QUESTIONUNG NATO: NATO CONTINUES PROVOKING MORE ESCALATION OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE (added 24 April 2024)
  10. JEFFREY SACHS: UKRAINE AND NATO
  11. NATO MEMBERSHIP WAS DEEPLY UNPOPULAR AMONG UKRAINIANS
  12. MAP: BANDERA VERSUS LENIN MONUMENTS IN UKRAINE (added April 24, 2024)
  13. ZELENSKY’S ADVISOR, ALEXEY ARESTOVICH, IN 2019
  14. GLENN DIESEN: DO THE EU AND NATO THREATEN RUSSIAN SECURITY?
  15. NATO SECRETARY GENERAL JENS STOLTENBERG SELLING THE PROXY WAR
  16. NATO SECREATRY GENERAL JAAP DE HOOP SCHEFFER ABOUT PUTIN’S RED LINE (2008)
  17. FORMER SECRETARY GENERAL OF NATO, ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN: “WE ALREADY DECIDED IN 2008 THAT UKRAINE WILL JOIN NATO”
  18. THE GUARDIAN ARTICLE 2008: PUTIN WARNS OVER NATO EXPANSION (added 24 April 2024)
  19. PEPE ESCOBAR: EURASIA VS. NATOSTAN IS THE DEFINING STRUGGLE OF OUR TIME
  20. GLENN DIESEN: THE UKRAINE WAR AND THE EURASIAN WORLD ORDER
  21. NATO – VIDEO COLLECTION
  22. ISW: WEBSITE of the INTERNATIONAL STUDY OF WAR / KAROLINA HIRD / NATO CHAIR ROB BAUER
  23. THE NATO DECLARATION AND THE DEADLY STRATEGY OF NEOCONSERVATISM / JEFFREY SACHS
  24. CYBERATTACKS: A NEW FALSE FLAG FRONTIER – KIT KLARENBERG – SUBSTACK

1. NATO’S GROWTH — AND RUSSIA’S ISOLATION – SINCE 1990 – TWO MAPS

2. NATO EXPANSION 1948 – 2023

Update February 21, 2025: The video published here is not longer available on YouTube because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.

The video was copied by Multerland in 2024, and now uploaded in Multerland.

March 2024:


3. STOLTENBERG, NATO, USA, UKRAINE, JOIN THE FAR RIGHT IN CANADA, OCTOBER 5, 2021

Left to right: Mike Pompeo (U.S. Secretary of State); Chrystia Freeland (then-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Canada); Pavlo Klimkin (Minister of Foreign Affairs, Ukraine); NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. (Image: NATO/Flickr)

Article: Canada’s support for the far-right abroad
https://rabble.ca/politics/world-politics/canadas-support-for-the-far-right-abroad/
Published: October 5, 2021
By: Ives Engler
In: Rabble / Canada


4. STOLTENBERG ADMITS NATO PROVOKED THE ESCALATION OF THE UKRAINE RUSSIA WAR

-See the two maps above, showing the isolation of Russia, that started in 1990.


5. FORMER GERMAN CHANCELLOR SCHRÖDER: “UKRAINIANS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO AGREE TO PEACE”


6. THE TALKS THAT COULD HAVE ENDED THE WAR IN UKRAINE IN 2022

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7. NORDSTREAM, THE TERRORIST ATTACK ON EUROPE’S ECONOMY

UK insurers refuse to pay Nord Stream because blasts were ‘government’ backed
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/04/17/uk-insurers-refuse-pay-nord-stream/
Published: April 17, 2024
In: The Grayzone
By: Wyatt Reed


8. QUESTIONING NATO: NORDSTREAM TERRORIST ATTACK ON EUROPE’S ECONOMY

Video short: https://youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM?si=O9jZ_G0YDclIFS74

“We can make an end to Nordstream”: read more about H.A.A.R.P. alike electromagnetic war weapons, able to penetrate deep inside the earth, seas and oceans, to destroy also pipelines: HAARP, JRO, EISCAT and SURA


9. QUESTIONUNG NATO: NATO CONTINUES PROVOKING MORE ESCALATION OF THE WAR IN UKRAINE (added 24 April 2024)


10. JEFFREY SACHS: UKRAINE AND NATO

See also:
Click picture to watch. See also article: Biden has destroyed Ukraine

11. NATO MEMBERSHIP WAS DEEPLY UNPOPULAR AMONG UKRAINIANS

On April 5, 2024, Professor Glenn Diesen shared on X: The polling below reveals NATO membership was deeply unpopular among Ukrainians even AFTER Russia took back Crimea: – Between 1991 and 2014 (before the coup), all polls revealed only 20% of Ukrainians wanted to join NATO, despite fierce efforts by the US.

GALLUP, Broadcasting Board of Governors Research Series [2014]: https://www.usagm.gov/wp-content/media/2014/06/Ukraine-slide-deck.pdf

Comment on this map by professor Glenn Diesen, published April 26, 2024:

In my previous post, there are several requests for evidence that only a small minority of Ukrainians wanted NATO membership between 1991 and 2014 (when the US/NATO sought to pull Ukraine into the military bloc):

  • Every since poll from Ukraine and abroad confirmed this.
  • NATO reported in 2011 that its expansionism was resisted by the Ukrainian government and its people: “The greatest challenge for Ukrainian-NATO relations lies in the perception of NATO among the Ukrainian people. NATO membership is not widely supported in the country, with some polls suggesting that popular support of it is less than 20%”. https://nato-pa.int/document/2011-172-cdsdg-11-e-rev1-ukraine-malan-report…
  • Even after Russia seized Crimea (in response to the US-backed coup), the US own polls demonstrated that still only a minority of Ukrainians wanted NATO membership. https://usagm.gov/wp-content/media/2014/06/Ukraine-slide-deck.pdf…
  • US Ambassador (now CIA Director) William Burn cautioned that NATO expansionism would trigger a Civil War exactly because it did not have support in the public (and that Russia would reluctantly invade). https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html…
  • There is nothing controversial about the statement that NATO expansionism was pushed against the will of the Ukrainians, with our full awareness of the likely devastating consequences.
  • The only reason this is not common knowledge is because the media does not report on it, as there is full conformity to the war narrative that we are merely “helping” Ukraine. Even mentioning verifiable facts results in attacks and cancellation efforts from the compliant media as inconvenient facts are met with accusations of “legitimising” the Russian invasion
  • On the eve of the American invasion of Iraq, a majority of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9-11 attacks. This would not have been possible without a dishonest and manipulative media. In our current Ukraine War, the war enthusiasts in media play an equally manipulative role in ensuring public support for the notion that “weapons are the path to peace” and diplomacy is not possible. American leaders and the NATO Secretary General keep openly making statements that this war is a great opportunity to weaken a strategic adversary without losing their own soldiers, and the media assists in laundering this as a virtuous “pro-Ukrainian” stance.

12. MAP: BANDERA VERSUS LENIN MONUMENTS IN UKRAINE

Map by Harvard University which shows the ratio of Bandera (Ukrainian fascist) vs Lenin monuments in Ukraine. Compare the map above, chapter 11, that shows which part of Ukraine was the most pro NATO, with this one:


13. ZELENSKY’S ADVISOR, ALEXEY ARESTOVICH, IN 2019

Zelensky’s advisor, Alexey Arestovich, argued in 2019: – Attempting to join NATO will pressure Russia to invade – “Our price for joining NATO is a big war with Russia” – Predicting the war would start between 2020-22, with remarkable details


14. GLENN DIESEN: DO THE EU AND NATO THREATEN RUSSIAN SECURITY? (BOOK)

The book [2015] explores the rise of these exclusive ’inter-democratic’ security institutions after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the ensuing effects on relations with Russia. By: Glenn Diesen https://www.routledge.com/EU-and-NATO-Relations-with-Russia-After-the-Collapse-of-the-Soviet-Union/Diesen/p/book/9781138063273 /

Preview: https://www.book2look.com/embed/9781317140528

Description

Do the EU and NATO threaten Russian security? The book explores the rise of these exclusive ’inter-democratic’ security institutions after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the ensuing effects on relations with Russia. Two competing theories are tested to explore whether these institutions aggravate or mitigate the security dilemma with Russia. These institutions can be theorised to promote security as a positive-sum game through European integration and democracy promotion, or pursue collective hegemony with ideologically uncompromising bloc-politics. Glenn Diesen argues that a European security architecture that demotes the largest state on the continent to an object of security inevitably results in ’European integration’ becoming a zero-sum geopolitical project that has set the West on a collision course with Russia.

Table of contents

  • Chapter 1 Introduction;
  • Chapter 2 Theoretical Comparison;
  • Chapter 3 Research Design;
  • Chapter 4 Case Study I;
  • Chapter 5 Case Study II;
  • Chapter 6; Conclusion;

Critics reviews

’In this innovative, theoretically grounded and systematic study, Glenn Diesen shows how the attempts by the EU and NATO to construct a security community in Europe have exacerbated the security dilemma with Russia. The arguments in this fine book are crucial to our understanding of the international relations of the European continent since the collapse of the Soviet Union.’ Graeme Gill, The University of Sydney, Australia ’In the light of the Ukraine crisis and the Russian annexation of Crimea, this is a timely and important book. Glenn Diesen provides a well-argued and theoretically rich critique of Western policy towards Russia since the breakup of the Soviet Union. His analysis challenges many of the mainstream liberal assumptions that have shaped relations between Europe and Russia, and offers a fresh interpretation of the steady deterioration in relations between the two sides. This is a book that deserves to be widely read and discussed.’ Adrian Hyde-Price, Gothenburg University, Sweden


15. NATO SECRETARY GENERAL SELLING THE PROXY WAR


16. NATO SECRETARY GENERAL JAAP DE HOOP SCHEFFER ABOUT PUTIN’S RED LINE (2008)

Watch on Rumble: here


17. FORMER SECRETARY GENERAL OF NATO, ANDERS FOGH RASMUSSEN: “WE ALREADY DECIDED IN 2008 THAT UKRAINE WILL JOIN NATO”


18. THE GUARDIAN ARTICLE 2008: PUTIN WARNS NATO OVER EXPANSION

This article is more than 16 years old
Putin warns NATO over expansion
Published: Fri 4 Apr 2008
In: The Guardian
By: Anil Dawar

PDF


19. PEPE ESCOBAR: EURASIA VS. NATOSTAN IS THE DEFINING STRUGGLE OF OUR TIME

In this interview Kevork Almassian, award-winning independent journalist and political scientist, born in Syria and living in Berlin, Germany, discusses with Pepe Escobar the book: Eurasia versus NATOstan, published on April 2, 2024. Pepe Escobar (born 1954) is a Brazilian journalist and geopolitical analyst.


20. GLENN DIESEN: THE UKRAINE WAR AND THE EURASIAN WORLD ORDER (BOOK)

Five hundred years of Western hegemony has ended, while the global majority’s aspiration for a world order based on multipolarity and sovereign equality is rising. This incisive book addresses the demise of liberal hegemony, though pointing out that a multipolar Westphalian world order has not yet taken shape, leaving the world in a period of interregnum. A legal vacuum has emerged, in which the conflicting sides are competing to define the future order.

NATO expansionism was an important component of liberal hegemony as it was intended to cement the collective hegemony of the West as the foundation for a liberal democratic peace. Instead, it dismantled the pan-European security architecture and set Europe on the path to war without the possibility of a course correction. Ukraine as a divided country in a divided Europe has been a crucial pawn in the great power competition between NATO and Russia for the past three decades.

The war in Ukraine is a symptom of the collapsing world order. The war revealed the dysfunction of liberal hegemony in terms of both power and legitimacy, and it sparked a proxy war between the West and Russia instead of ensuring peace, the source of its legitimacy.
The proxy war, unprecedented sanctions, and efforts to isolate Russia in the wider world contributed to the demise of liberal hegemony as opposed to its revival. Much of the world responded to the war by intensifying their transition to a Eurasian world order that rejects hegemony and liberal universalism. The economic architecture is being reorganised as the world diversifies away from excessive reliance on Western technologies, industries, transportation corridors, banks, payment systems, insurance systems, and currencies. Universalism based on Western values is replaced by civilisational distinctiveness, sovereign inequality is swapped with sovereign equality, socialising inferiors is replaced by negotiations, and the rules-based international order is discarded in favour of international law. A Westphalian world order is reasserting itself, although with Eurasian characteristics.

The West’s defeat of Russia would restore the unipolar world order while a Russian victory would cement a multipolar one. The international system is now at its most dangerous as the prospect of compromise is absent, meaning the winner will take all. Both NATO under US direction and Russia are therefore prepared to take great risks and escalate, making nuclear wan increasingly likely.

English:
The Ukraine War and the Eurasian World Order
Published: February 15, 2024
https://www.amazon.com/Ukraine-War-Eurasian-World-Order/dp/1949762955

Nederlands:
De oorlog in Oekraïne en de Euraziatische wereldorde
https://deblauwetijger.com/product/glenn-diesen-de-oorlog-in-oekraine-en-de-euraziatische-wereldorde/


21. NATO – VIDEO COLLECTION

In the upper right corner of the video-playlist below, you can see three horizontal lines and an arrow. Click to see the entire playlist.


22. THE INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF WAR / KAROLINA HIRD / ROB BAUER (NATO CHAIR)

Search results for Karolina Hird, on the website of the ISW: 964 results.

From the website: Karolina Hird is a Russia Deputy Team Lead and Analyst and Evans Hanson Fellow at the Institute for the Study of War. Karolina is a senior member of the team that produces the daily Russian Campaign Assessments since spring 2022. Karolina particularly focuses on Russian operational campaign design and the humanitarian aspects of the war in Ukraine, particularly the issue of forced deportations and adoption of Ukrainian children. Karolina has been quoted in Reuters, The Telegraph, NPR, The Daily Beast, Task and Purpose, Newsweek, Voice of America, and others. Karolina regularly briefs senior military and political decision-makers. Karolina received a BA in International Affairs from The George Washington University, where she focused on international security, international law, and gender analysis.

[Note by admin: the content of the quoted text copied from her profile page on ISW, is not according to the information that is provided by independent journalists. This means that the quoted text has to be read as misinformation. Important detail: Karolina Hird is extremely anti-Putin, anti-Russia.]

In this article, published by ISW, also chair of NATO Rob Bauer‘s words, are to be found. He is clearly informed by Karolina Hird, which means that he is misinformed about the real situation in Ukraine. In his opening speech on May 16, 2024, in a NATO meeting with the Chiefs of Defence, in Brussels, he mentions Kiev as the source of his information, which means that he fully trusts Zelensky, who is proven not reliable. Altogether this could be the reason why Rob Bauer showed that he was severe misinformed and was sharing misinformation with the Chiefs of Defence. That could be the reason of the NATO arrogance, it’s bluffing about Russia, and making NATO alliances believe that they have a chance against Russia. His misinformation is provoking WWIII.


23. THE NATO DECLARATION [10 JULY 2024] AND THE DEADLY STRATEGY OF NEOCONSERVATISM / JEFFREY SACHS

For the sake of America’s security and world peace, the U.S. should immediately abandon the neocon quest for hegemony in favor of diplomacy and peaceful co-existence.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/nato-neoconservatism-empire
Published: July 13, 2024
By: Jeffrey Sachs
In: Common Dreams

U.S. President Joe Biden delivers remarks at a meeting of the heads of state of the North Atlantic Council at the 2024 NATO Summit on July 10, 2024 in Washington, DC.
 (Photo by Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

24. CYBERATTACKS: A NEW FALSE FLAG FRONTIER – KIT KLARENBERG


#9. Jeffrey Sachs: Biden has destroyed Ukraine

The following text and video are published on X Twitter. Source

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Sachs is widely recognized for bold and effective strategies to address complex challenges including the escape from extreme poverty, the global battle against human-induced climate change, international debt and financial crises, national economic reforms, and the control of pandemic and epidemic diseases. Read on here. Playlists: here

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Transcript:

Well, first of all, this is purely money down the drain.
So if they want to rip up another $61 billion, which is not chump change, they seem intent on doing it, but it will mean nothing except more destruction for Ukraine.
The fact of the matter is, if you don’t listen to the nonsense in our mainstream media but listen to your show and others, people would know that this war has destroyed Ukraine.
And the longer it continues, the less there will be of Ukraine.
It’s very simple, actually.
If this goes on longer, Russia will capture more territory.
If it goes on long enough, Russia will capture Odessa, Kiev.
If we continue the way we’re doing, and this is a Biden project that goes back ten years now, will completely destroy Ukraine.
So the idea that this is siding with Ukraine is absurd.

Anyone who really follows events knows that we’re not siding with Ukraine.
We have paid for hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to go to the front lines and die for more and more territory to be lost. Because the most basic point of this war, which is that we overthrew a government in Ukraine in 2014 that wanted neutrality so that we could push NATO enlargement, was reckless, stupid, and doomed to fail, and it failed.
Now Biden is just trying to hide the failure to get past November, but the failure is seen on the battleground every day.
If the Republicans play into this, its unbelievable shame on them.
They’re basically on the right side, although Biden bludgeons them every day.
You’ll be the one to lose Ukraine.
Well, the truth of the matter is Biden has been a disaster for Ukraine for a decade.
The disaster is there in the graves of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and lost territory.
This is a war that never should have happened.
It was about NATO enlargement, where the Russians said, no NATO on our borders.
And Americans who were following this, like our CIA director Bill Burns, who was then the US ambassador
to Russia in 2008, said, this is crazy. No way.
The entire Russian political class is against this.
But Biden and Obama and Hillary Clinton and Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan, Tony Blinken, they just barged ahead.
They’ve wrecked everything.
And now they want another $61 billion to get them past November.
It’s a disgrace.
It’s completely a disgrace.

To play devil’s advocate.
Let me give you the other side and then allow you to respond to that.
What do you say to people that maybe acknowledge there were certainly missteps with the expansion of NATO and the provocation, but nevertheless, Russia chose to respond to that with an invasion.
The situation in Ukraine is due to that invasion.
And so what do you say to people who think, well, so we are now responding to that invasion by funding, not committing American troops, but funding a resistance in Ukraine that wants to continue fighting?
Well, yeah, the war began ten years ago when Victoria Nuland not only passed out cookies on Maidan, but engaged in insurrection to violently overthrow a government in Ukraine.
Pretty stupid.
Pretty stupid to have a regime change operation on a country with the 2000 kilometer border with Russia.
That’s our american foreign policy.
That’s when this war started.
This war didn’t start in February 2022.
It started in February 2014.
It started with Nuland.
It started with Blinken.
It started with Sullivan.
It started with Biden, who was a key person in that whole thing.
And then the fighting went on for ten years.
And then in December 2021, Putin said, look, stop the NATO enlargement.
We can avoid an escalation.

I talked to the White House at that point.
Nah, we don’t stop anything.
They just thought they had all the cards.
We’re going to cut them out of this SWIFT banking system.
We’re going to bring the economy to the knees.
Bunch of nonsense by ignorant people.
And so Putin escalated.
He didn’t start the war.
He escalated the war.
And within, basically a week, Zelenskyy said, okay, okay, okay, we can be neutral.
And the Turks mediated negotiations.
And then, though the US government wants to hide all of these facts, which are sitting out there for those who know where to find them, the US intervened and told the Ukrainians, you keep fighting.
And we have our senators who say, this is the best the money can buy, because it’s Ukrainians dying, not Americans.
They’re weakening Russia.
Well, they’re not weakening Russia, but they are killing Ukrainians.
So this is not responding to Putin’s invasion.
The war started ten years ago, and we kept refusing every off ramp till this day, Robbie, you know, you hear Putin say, and if you listen, every day, we’re open to negotiations.
And then these fools in the US government say, there’s no one to negotiate.
They don’t want to negotiate.
And then President Putin says, oh, we’re open to negotiation.
Oh, there’s no one to negotiate, is what we hear from the US side.
This is just narrative.
It’s destroyed Ukraine, and they just rip up money like there’s no tomorrow.
So another 61 billion.
And now I hear from.
From you that the latest plan is to take the illegally confiscated assets of Russia because there’s no legal basis to do this and use that.
That’ll be really great for the international financial system. I’ll tell you.
Because these are people who don’t think ahead one day.
They just improvise day by day, and then they’ll find out,
oh, things don’t work out so well for the US dollar, for the US as reserve currency for the US place in the world, because these people are acting like clowns, frankly, day by day, not thinking ahead, doubling down on lost gambles and everything to tell a story so that they can get to the elections in the way they see fit.

Professor, I want to ask you about how the United
States gets out of this now, because I’m reminded of conversations that surrounded the war in Afghanistan for years, which was that we shouldn’t have gotten into it.
This is a mistake.
But now we’ve destabilized the country.
We’re in neck deep.
We can’t just stop funding and abandon this project.
And that’s a hamster wheel of sorts, right?
So there are some people that I think are gonna listen to this and say, well, I agree with everything you’re saying, but what do you do at this point?
Is it just a sunk cost?
Or is there some obligation to unwind this in a way that’s responsible and doesn’t leave Ukrainians high and dry?
Ukrainians are high and dry no matter what we do.
We’ve killed nearly half a million of them through this stupid project.
And the ones that throw good money after bad are the ones themselves that are personally culpable for this.
This is Biden’s project.
So this is the first starting point.
You don’t throw good lives after those already dead and good money after bad when you have an absolute failure and disaster on your hands.
By the way, this is like every American effort.
I’m old enough to remember Vietnam.
The same words said about Vietnam.
We do this over and over and over again in the US because our so called leaders have no sense and they don’t think ahead.
So, yes, we have to stop this.
But the one thing that we don’t do, and it’s really a bit of a mystery to me, it’s the worst I’ve seen in my whole lifetime.
We don’t negotiate.
Does Biden call Putin, say, we need to talk?
No, that would be weakness.
That would be appeasement.
They don’t even have the idea that you negotiate anything.
And, you know, if you try everything by a military approach and a failed one, and you do it in these proxy wars where it’s the people themselves in these countries that are dying on the front lines, and you don’t know anything about diplomacy?
Well, you make a complete mess of the world.
And so the answer is the first thing is the US and Russia should talk to each other because there’s a cause of this war and that’s NATO enlargement.
And by the way, that’s no secret and that’s not propaganda.
Even the secretary general of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, said that absolutely explicitly, as did the top negotiator for Zelensky, Davyd Arakhamia.
This is a war about NATO enlargement.
So why doesn’t Biden call up Putin, say, you know what, we gotta stop the war.
And that whole NATO enlargement that I was party to going back to the 1990s and to 2014 coup and all that was a bad idea.
Figure out how to stop the war, recognize mutual security, and stop the bloodshed and massacres in Ukraine.
If Biden were really acting like a president, thats what he would do.
Its been about a year since a group of economists wrote an open letter about you, accusing you of denying the agency of Ukraine peddling Putin talking points, all of those kinds of things.
It’s a year later.
How do you respond to them?
Well, I don’t respond.
I tell them I told you so.
I told them so from the beginning that this would be a complete disaster for Ukraine.
People don’t want to hear this.
They don’t understand.
They don’t know enough about American history.
I told them Ukraine is going to be like Afghanistan and boy is it like Afghanistan right now.
So they didn’t want to hear.
That’s not right. That’s not fair. Professor Sachs.
I was telling them facts.
I was giving them some good advice.
They didn’t want to hear that.
They wanted to hear about victory, glory, how Ukraine’s going to succeed, that great counteroffensive, all the rest, all the baloney.
But I said from the beginning that this would be a disaster.
I said this is just the latest Neocon debacle.
And I said explicitly it was going to leave Ukraine like Afghanistan and it was completely avoidable.
So that’s what I tell them. I’m sorry.
Listen, pay attention. Learn something.
That’s what I say to them.

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